Greenhouse gas accounting tool, 11 September 2020

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Webinar transcript

Andrew Cooper:
Good morning everybody

I'm Councillor Andrew Cooper and I'll be chairing the webinar this morning, um as many councils have declared the climate emergency, there has been an increased need to produce carbon baselines and councils have requested a tool to support them in calculating recording their own baseline greenhouse gas emissions.

The greenhouse gas accounting tool has been developed by local partnerships and the LGA as a free resource for councils.

It will provide a straightforward and reliable approach for all councils standardising how local government measures and reports carbon emissions.

They'll now be a quick poll on what you're currently doing regarding carbon baselines some people may have technical problems with the poll if their browser isn't compatible but let's hope not.

Okay thank you everybody for your answers there uh, much appreciated.

We have a Q&A function, please feel free to use it and you can also like questions from others if you like them.

Today we're going to be hearing from Simeran Bachra from CDP previously the carbon disclosure project and live from Freiburg in Germany Alis-Daniela Torres who's the sustainable resources officer from ICLEI which is local governments for sustainability, Joe Wall who's the strategic director for climate response uh for local partnerships, Rachel Toresen-Owuor who's the program director for Refit: Local Partnerships and Ariane Crampton who's the head of carbon reduction on Wiltshire Council.

So without further ado um over to you Simeran.

Simeran Bachra:

Great, good morning everybody I'm just gonna share my screen now.

Great can you guys see the screen? Okay great thanks, Andrew well good morning everyone and thank you so much to the LGA for the invitation to speak on today's webinar, my name is Simeran Bachra and I'm the UK  cities manager at CDP and I'm joined by my colleague today , Daniela Torres from ICLEI to discuss with you the importance of disclosure and measuring emissions.

We'll also just do another quick poll right now just to see how many local authorities on the call are currently reporting.

Okay, I think we're good, I'll move on, so thank you so much for doing that.

Um and so firstly before we begin today I just wanted to mention um firstly why we're actually focusing on local authorities and cities and it's actually because cities around the world account for about 70% of global emissions and are home to 55% of the global population therefore you have a vital role to play in the transition to a resilient and low-carbon future.

Analysis conducted by C-40 showed that cities with populations with over 100,000 people could actually deliver 40 percent of the global emissions reductions needed to help us limit warming to 1.5 degrees and by focusing actions around energy, buildings, transport and waste, local councils could actually achieve 90 percent of the emissions reductions needed to stay in line with the Paris agreement goals.

So by taking actions to cut emissions and reduce vulnerabilities local governments and your citizens can actually gain multiple co-benefits from climate action and now that we're actually also facing a global pandemic, people really are realizing that we need a new normal that prioritizes people and planet first.

So the first step that local authorities can take towards fostering transparency and collaboration is to disclose their global environmental data. CDP is a non-for-profit organisation that runs a global disclosure platform for investors companies cities states and regions to measure and manage their environmental impacts and over 800 local authorities worldwide actually report their environmental data to us in 2019.

And we believe data is the fundamental basis for action and aim to help local authorities to measure, understand and address their environmental impact.

And the aim is to really drive towards a climate safe, water secure and deforestation free world.

So to support local authorities, CDP and ICLEI have actually partnered to bring together a unified reporting system that's the most comprehensive internationally recognized collection of self-reported mitigation and adaptation data worldwide and access to this platform and data disclosed are completely free and open to all.

So bringing you back down to the UK we really know that disclosure allows local authorities to really gain data-driven insights into the gaps and opportunities for policy development to better understand resource management and where to invest your money.

Insights also inform action and disclosure is that first key step towards actually building a sustainable low-carbon economy.

The value of disclosure is that we can really track progress and ambition.

In 2019 we had 19 local authorities disclose their climate-related data representing about 25 percent of the UK population and out of these 19 local authorities the 13 actually reported an emissions reduction target.

And out of those 13 missions reduction targets, nine were considered net zero or a carbon neutrality target.

And then cities also reported their climate action plans and six were able to do so but actually only two of those were aligned with net zero or carbon neutrality target.

So what we want to see is actually cities setting targets but then also having plans that are in line with them.

This year we have had an increase in the number of local authorities disclosing so far with over 30 doing so so far this year, so we should expect kind of an increasing these numbers as many local authorities have had their climate action plans approved this year.

This is why disclosure's so important when we start aggregating this information and really try to get down to the nuts and bolts of it, this is the only way for us to really know what is happening on the ground.

So the importance of understanding emissions, it's that famous phrase that you cannot manage what you don't measure and I would suggest these are about five reasons that I would say are kind of important reasons for understanding your emissions.

So firstly understanding your emissions profile you can actually identify the policy areas you can take meaningful meaningful action on, secondly knowing your admissions data provides a baseline upon which you can actually track your progress this then helps you understand the potential pathways you may take to meet your climate targets, understanding your emissions and its sources can also help you engage other stakeholders allowing you to have a more meaningful conversation with others and co-create collaborative climate action plans.

And then lastly to track our progress to limit warming to 1.5 degrees measuring and monitoring our progress of our policies and our missions will be critical and this is where disclosure is necessary to ensure that we can compare targets and emissions data and to conduct analysis in a standardised way and transparency means that we can actually track this progress of cities to better understand the role that you're playing in helping us meet the goals of the Paris agreement.

Last month we also released a report on co-benefits if you haven't seen it, which actually showed that understanding co-benefits can be a key driver in accelerating climate action actions that consider both co-benefits can that also deliver other beneficial outcomes, such as cleaner air job creation, improved health, increased biodiversity, can actually improve in higher number of cities reporting actions and we've seen that those kind of co-benefits of job creation and access to nature have really become a priority also for citizens as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, so we hope that there's a stronger opportunity for a green recovery as it becomes more of a political party and a party for citizens.

So by actively designing climate action that delivers on other co-benefits, you can actually bolster support from key stakeholders particularly those who make climate action may not be a top priority, you can also use more efficient resources and funding so for example by actually engaging across different city departments and you can maximise opportunities to address multiple challenges simultaneously, so our analysis showed that cities that were reporting co-benefits were taking 2.5 times more climate action than cities that were not, and this shows that cities that you know really understand the co-benefits and are integrating climate not just within their climate team but across their city are actually taking more climate action.

So going back to disclosure how does this process work this is an annual process that begins with our team and partners asking local governments for their environmental data.

Local authorities then have a couple of months to collect and report their data through our platform, we then make all of this data public make all the publicly reported data available on our open data portal for free and then this data is also shared with our partners and organizations such as the global covenant of mayors C40 and ICLEI and then using this data CDP and our partners actually analyze it to produce reports inform events and our advocacy work and our technical  assistance programs it helps us all to understand who's leading on climate but where are also the gaps that remain that needs more support on.

Decision makers within local authorities can also use this analysis to assess and improve their goal setting and strategies and report again the following year to track the progress that's being made.

So we'll go through just a few of the benefits but local authorities that actually report to CDP and ICLEI's unified reporting system have access to an ecosystem of services from both of our organizations, through one questionnaire you can disclose through the to the global covenant affairs and we also share best practice and facilitate knowledge exchange through webinars, reports, case studies and workshops.

CDP also provides local authorities with a score to help provide feedback and increase ambition which I'll discuss in a moment you can also access a network of ambitious companies and investors through a city business

climate alliance and matchmaker programs and finally local authorities disclose to be transparent to attract their progress to improve their data quality and to learn from other cities around the world.

The unified reporting system can also be used as a tool to engage other departments and agencies.

So some of you may be aware that CDP scores our local authorities and we do this to really help improve the data quality and accelerate your action. Our scoring methodology provides a robust review of your response identifying your progress on the journey to becoming a climate leader and taking bold action.

The score provides you with an assessment of how thorough and complete your responses on a scale from disclosure to leadership and we also provide separate mitigation and adaptation scores to reflect that many cities have a different priority and so there's a full scoring methodology which you can find on our website for more information.

And then post submission you are also provided a snapshot report which contains additional information about your score and other regional averages that you can compare against and we keep scores private we don't tell anyone else what your score is this is a feedback mechanism just for you however we do celebrate the cities that receive an a score through our a-list campaign.

And last year out of 105 cities globally that received an a score five of them were actually in the UK so we had Greater Manchester, Greater London, Coventry, Leicester and BCP council all receiving an a score last year and what we found that cities that disclosed that were on the a-list we're actually taking three times more actions than on average than cities that were not on the a-list and our a-list receives quite wide um press coverage and it's an opportunity to really just showcase climate leadership.

For those of you who have also committed to the global covenant of mayors, the CDP ICLEI unified reporting system is one of the official reporting platforms and our questionnaire is fully aligned with its requirements, we also have a team that completes gcom validation reviewing your response and providing feedback on how you can meet the requirements.

Our team both at CDP and ICLEI also provide ongoing support throughout the year through webinars and gcom specific guidance if you have any questions.

So to ensure that you actually have the resources that are available to you we work with a number of partners our partners at the global covenant ICLEI and c40 have various tools that are available for you and we'll hear from my colleague Daniela shortly and in the UK we have the Tyndall centre that has the carbon budget tool that I would highly recommend if you haven't set a target yet and for the purpose of today's webinar some of you have may have used the scatter tool which was developed by a thesis and this is also aligned with the CDP ICLEI system and can be easily used to report but just to clarify the scatter tool actually is for your city wide emissions for your area boundary whereas today we'll be discussing the LGA and Local Partnerships new tool which is actually measuring your council's own operations and this LGA tool can actually be used to respond to section seven of our questionnaire which is part of the ICLEI's green cities green climate cities program and my colleague Daniela will now provide you with some more information so on to you Daniela.


Thank you very much Simeran and thank you very much for for this kind invitation and for this wonderful um seminar um I just uh following what Simeran was saying I would like to tell you that we are organization working for more than 20 years on improving and supporting cities worldwide on sustainability and health climate action for specifically this um this work on on the alliance with with cdp and we also have a as a basis methodology that we created several years ago which is called the green climate cities methodology it's a methodology that includes this integrated approach on climate action meaning joining mitigation and adaptation and now both concepts have to be um joined together in order to to really reap the co-benefits of of climate action on a local level and this methodology and is aimed to support cities to embed climate change lands um internally in their own government and own operations of the of the ctc but also and most importantly on the city community-wide action in terms of climate change.

It also helped the cities to embed climate change and in the budget procurement processes, planning and actions across all sectors of the economy of the of the city, and this methodology also is focusing on people, policy, processes, technology and finance and it also aims to help cities and provide cities the tools to enable actions and also to access different sources of finance and here is one very important issue that cities that have very good greenhouse accounting and processes and and reporting mechanisms it's much easier to them to access to different funds because they are um more they are more capable for doing more financial products because they are able to measure the benefits of the products.

This methodology encourages reporting and disclosure and for the ones that are a little more interested on these this is a step-by-step methodology that wants to help cities to reach climate neutrality by by 2050.

We go to the next slide so the the methodology has three steps bigger steps which is called the analyse act and accelerate a process and you can access to these um to the methodology online it is it is available for everybody but um due to the the seminar that we are working today the subject that we are discussing today I would like to have like that um greenhouse emissions accounting monitoring and reporting are key aspects for effective climate action as Simeran was saying if you cannot measure you cannot act, so um if there are several step in this methodology where we're assessing the baseline of the missions is very important also setting goals and the monitoring and reporting and it's it's also encouraged through this methodology and of course apart from reporting the the accounting process and the inventories it's the most important is to to report the achievements that the cities have done in the in the process.

And just to let you know that any city can use this methodology and of course for for recap members we give specific advice for the different process probably some of you and you are already clay members but anyway you are all invited to be part of ths of these initiatives as Simeran said, also um the methodologies aligned with the global reporting framework of the covenant of mayors also covering the European context that also brings us here today thank you very much that's all on on my side.


Thank you Simeran and Daniela.

Just to let people know that the poll results will be published on the LGA website with the slides by next Wednesday.

We're now going to hear from Jo and Rachel from Local Partnerships.


Thank you very much, apologies took a moment there because I was trying to come off mute just as things were moving around on my screen and I couldn't actually hit the button um so good morning welcome um my name is Jo Wall I'm the strategic director for climate response at local partnerships I've been with local partnerships since the beginning of October last year and we've been working to um develop our offer in this space ever since that time so local partnerships for those of you that aren't aware are jointly owned by the local government association the treasury and the Welsh government we're wholly owned by the public sector we're a not-for-profit company and we provide services across a range of local government and central government departments uh in a very wide range of services but but climate response is one of them and as part of that we decided last year that um with the the demise of the national indicators that actually um we could see that there was a gap for local authorities and particularly um across the range of local authorities and I can see in the Q and A already that there are questions about um the disparate resources that are available to different local authorities, so what we've tried to do here is is provide a calculator that enables you to calculate your own scope 1 and scope 2 emissions and some of your scope 3 emissions, with which is free at the point of view so it can be downloaded either from our website or from the LGA's website um we we receive a small amount of LGA grant each year which we use towards improvement activities across the sector um and this was it was an activity that we thought needed to be prioritized this year um to try and bring local authorities some resources in a space where we know there's an awful lot of keen interest.

We're also very keen that um if at all possible we can use the information that's collected to start benchmarking within the sector and to do that on a non-commercial basis Ie not, not as a paid for service and we'll be talking a little bit at the end of this session about um how we hope to achieve that through LG inform and gathering a bit more information from you along the way.

I would like to say to you thank you very much for taking part in the polls today um this is really helping us uh as much as you guys in terms of actually understanding what you need and what you want, so that we can try and make sure that we tailor things um accordingly going forward.

I'm going to hand you over now to my extremely capable rate capable Rachel my capable colleague Rachel who's going to actually talk you through the mechanics of the tool itself how it works uh and how to approach your data gathering thank you.


Hi, my name is Rachel Torres Owuor, I'm the program director for Refit at local partnerships I've been with local partnerships since um November 2017 prior to that I worked for a large county council and for the best part of a decade where I led on the national indicator 185 reporting getting the crc reporting setup um and for those of you who were familiar with national indicator 185 and crc, you'll remember that they had their own reporting templates um and they had their own um very distinct reporting boundaries um for each, so what we've identified currently and since the demise of those reporting schemes is that there is a gap in the the tools and the support available for local authorities to report to calculate and report on emissions arising from their own operations and services.

So what we hope this tool will do is deliver provide a standardised approach for reporting as Jo mentioned and allow for some benchmarking across different local authorities.

The presentation from CDP and ICLEI highlighted the importance of calculating and reporting so that you can see the benefits of your interventions each year and this tool should provide you with that robust and regularly reviewed toolkit to calculate and store annual baselines going forward.

So it's interesting from the poll results that 75% of you are calculating your baselines whether that's yourself or through using um using other

Consultants um which still leaves 25% of local authorities represented today not undertaking any reporting at all any calculations or reporting and one reason for that is likely to be that there is no mandatory requirement for reporting as it currently stands.

So how our greenhouse gas accounting tool will help you um for reporting purposes what you can see on the slide here is a snapshot of the summary information that the tool spits out for you so these are very easy to then copy and paste and put into your reporting for cabinet members, corporate leadership teams and publicly facing greenhouse gas reports.

It the tool um calculates the council's direct CO2 equivalent emissions for scope 1 and 2 which are directly linked to the

council's own operations and services and must make the distinction that is is a very different tool to scatter and plus this will calculate some of the basic indirect CO2 emissions which fall into the scope 3 boundary.

What it also enables you to do is capture the basis on which you've reported which boundary you've set what you've included and excluded specifically and to enable consistency across years and to help you with making any re-based learning decisions that you need to further down the line.

So what does the tool do? It calculates um your emissions and it uses

the relevant UK government conversion factors and taking away a lot of that burden in terms of sourcing the most up-to-date conversion factors and then ensuring that you have those in your own spreadsheet in the right way.

This tool is going to be updated every year at a minimum to capture the most up-to-date emissions factors as published by government and whenever in the interim that BEIS make any updates and sometimes they do do periodic updates to the emissions factors.

The tool is also aligned to the greenhouse gas reporting protocol in terms of boundary setting the in the emissions sources and the gases that are captured.

So what I'm going to do now is take you through a short um walk through each of the reporting tabs so that you can see exactly what the tool looks like and exactly what information you need to populate where so this tab here is our scope 1 tab so you'll see here that scope 1 emissions capture your directly combusted fuels for heating in your buildings,it captures your fugitive emissions and these are f gases most likely arising from your air conditioning units and chillers and fuel burned in your authority's fleet so fleet may be your pool cars will be your refuse collection vehicles any highways maintenance vehicles that are not as an outsourced service to a highways contractor.

So what you'll see for each tab as well is that there is guidance peppered through the spreadsheet so you don't need to keep referring backwards and forwards to a guidance document as you hover over each cell, it will give you some instructions you will see that for scope 1 emissions you will need to report that in kilowatt hours and the box that we've got highlighted there with the red square and all of these pale yellowy green boxes throughout the spreadsheet are where you directly input your figures um using the correct units, the green boxes are um the green boxes are locked those are your conversion factors and they hold all the formulas and then the pale yellow boxes are

the figures that pop out at the end so your total emissions for each category.

So if gases fugitive emissions you need to be collecting those in kilograms and importantly for your fleet emissions when you you have the option to select either miles or litres and so if you're collecting information in litres that will be the data that you pull off from you fuel cards um and if it's in miles that will be from route and mapping information most likely done on the waste collection vehicles.

Scope 2 tab here, there's not a huge amount of information to to stick into scope 2 here this is your kilowatt hours from your building use and your street lighting, so you are putting the summary um data in here, the version of the tool that is available for download on the website has a couple of extra tabs that you can't see on the summary which are your data collection tabs so if you are using software such as systems link team or stark to hold and store all of your utilities data you can then run your summary reports and put that data into the into the data collection tabs and then do a link into this consumption cell here so that you can always go back to the raw data.

Street lighting again this is a summary figure for the kilowatt hours from your unmuted supplies for street lighting and you will need to engage with your highways teams in terms of getting your most up-to-date asset data for street lighting and street furniture.

Each of the tabs will have one of these additional comment boxes at the bottom the reason we've put those in here is so that you can make any useful notes about how you've calculated the emissions perhaps where you source the data from, any gaps or estimated data that you might need to capture so that this tool becomes very useful when you're going back and when when you're reporting subsequent years you can make sure that you're reporting in a consistent way.

So scope three um this is the this the categories that we've captured here in under scope three it's important to um just go into a little bit more detail about staff travel and what we have included here and what we haven't.

So the scope through emissions from staff travel it's really important to make this clear that this is business travel from personal vehicles only.

The reason for that um is that this data is the most readily available for the majority of local authorities you will be likely collecting this data from your staff expense claims and um it doesn't include your commuting to and from work this is this is business mileage only.

Again you have the opportunity here to select whether you report in miles or litres and most often this will be miles because it will be coming from your HR department and your staff mileage claims and again you put the summary data for each vid vehicle category into the yellowy green box and you'll see there that on the right hand side of that table and that's where your information pops out in terms of the summary emissions.

Transmission and distribution losses this is all automatically calculated for you I know that some local authorities will do manual calculations for the t and d losses for scope to electricity supplied to buildings and any electricity used for charging electric vehicles, um we've taken that calculation away from you and automated that for you so you will see that once you've populated the earlier tabs and these cells will  automatically populate.

Water is an optional reporting optional reporting for you, if you are collecting your water data from utility invoices interms of cubic meters, you can put the figures in there for water supply and water treatment and again you get the the consumption the emissions um populated there for you.

I'll just flick back here just you can just to talk about some of these tabs at the top here, and so the we've gone through a quick canter through the scope 1 scope 2 and scope 3 data capture tabs on here at the beginning of the presentation we showed you the snapshot of the summary tables and the summary charts,so those are populated in two different tabs um, what we showed you on that on the slide previously is just a snapshot you get quite a lot of different types of breakdown and so you can choose what how you want to visually represent your data and in your what suits your organization and your reporting style best.

So how long will it take to complete the tool?

This really does depend on how you've been reporting and how you've been calculating your emissions previously, so this could take you just mere hours if you already have this data in other spreadsheets as you can see what the tool is capturing is those headline that you know the summary totals for each emissions category, so you're not having to enter data line by line for each building, and so it could take you hours um or it could take you some days to to populate the tool if you need to go on a fact-finding mission and make friends with colleagues that you may not

have spoken to before in terms of highways, transport, um energy managers if you're if your team doesn't if you're in a sustainability team that doesn't have energy within its responsibility and particularly for staff business claims if you if your organization is not already capturing vehicle type and fuel um when your employees are submitting their expense claims for mileage, that can take a little bit longer so just bear that in mind.

As we've mentioned a couple of times before and I do think it is important to to keep saying it this tool is is to calculate emissions from your own operations and services so all your council-owned assets should be included and you should incorporate vehicles and buildings that are leased and used for council services.

On the very front tab of the spreadsheet where you select which reporting boundary that you are using you also have some drop down options in there in terms of selecting what services you've included and which you've particularly excluded so for example not all local authorities will want to be reporting on schools because they are devolved they have their devolved budgets and they look after themselves and you don't have access to the data anymore.

Whereas some local authorities will still be reporting on behalf of schools perhaps where they are the procuring organization for those utility supplies, 560again the same thing um applies to the to operations such as leisure, so you may have full control over your leisure services in which case it would be reported or that might be an outsourced service and you would have on the front summary page selected that that was a particular exclusion.

What that does is help you with consistency for reporting in future years

so that you can see what has what has been included what has been excluded and that makes it much easier for any rebasing re-base lining activity that you may need to undertake.

So where do you find all the information required to populate the tool um I've touched on a few of these already but I'll go through them again once in turn I think this is a useful summary for people who perhaps for the 25% who are not calculating or reporting at the moment.

Utility invoices for gas electricity and water, now you may this may be where the task becomes um fairly labor-intensive if you are still collecting data on paper invoices I would imagine that the majority of councils procure their utilities through procurement bodies such as ccs espo or laser in which case you should be receiving um your summary summary invoice data via electronic means and more often than not importing that straight into software such as systems and called teams in which case you can run a summary report and use those headline numbers to populate this tool.

Again data from smart meters and half hourly consumption data and you should be able to extract that either from your monitoring software or from your smart meter dashboard that you have with your utility provider.

For your purchasing cards you will need to speak to your fleet fleet management teams in terms of extracting the data that should be easily accessible to you in the form of a spreadsheet,route mapping calculations for mileage again most likely you'll be if you're using mileage for fleet emissions this will be um in the main from your waste collection um from your waste collection colleagues in terms of the data that they hold for the route mapping for the rcvs the refuse collection vehicles.

And again I mentioned the challenge on travel expense claims um many councils will have started reporting and collecting the breakdown of engine size and fuel type as part of staff extend expense claims and because of requirements for national indicator 185 and and the previous memorandum of understanding for greenhouse gas reporting um with DEC as it was back then, but you will need to engage with your HR colleagues and there may be you may have GDPR issues flagged to you in terms of the granularity of the data.

Scope 3 emissions, so you will see on the slide that I showed you about the scope 3 tab that the scope 3 emissions that we capture in this tool are fairly limited in terms of staff business travel in private vehicles and the t losses from your electricity and water the the as I said the reason for that is that this is the data that is most readily available for councils and in terms of the interventions that you can make in your

first carbon budget when you're setting your climate action plans

and to address the the climate emergency, you have the most control and influence to be able to make an impact over those emission sources rather than the the wider scope three.

For those councils who do want to go further with scope 3 emissions calculations and reporting what we recommend the first step to do is to begin mapping those emission sources and the slide here depicts  um what we refer to with the greenhouse gas protocol in terms of upstream and downstream emissions through the value chain.

If this is an activity that you would like some support and please do drop us a line to the email address that accompanies this tool and this is something that we can help you with.


So thank you Rachel uh and Jo we're now going to hear from Arianne Crampton who's the head of carbon reduction at Wiltshire Council.


Good morning, thank you Andrew good morning everybody and it's great to be here and have the opportunity to share the experience that we had in Wiltshere of road testing this tool um so we were asked uh to test it back in July and so we've had um you know the experience of actually trying to populate it and use it for reporting our greenhouse gas emissions um for 19/20 so I'm very happy to share the experience that we've had with that, um I should say that I also like Rachel had experience of the ni 185 and crc reporting and so on um and obviously since those requirements have gone, there hasn't been a sort of a standard format for reporting things and so I think this is you know plugging that gap this is coming up with the standard format that all local authorities can use and I think um there will be benefits in terms of getting some um opportunities to benchmark with other authorities.

So uh in terms of the the um the benefits that we found from using it um we found it was really good to have one spreadsheet that captures everything, um because we had got to a point where we were using separate spreadsheets for our buildings emissions and through our transport emissions so to have everything in one place is really good.

Having the emissions factors pre-entered that was really good as well um and really useful it means you don't have to worry about looking them up they're just there um I thought the questions about scope were really good so it really makes you think about your reasons for including and excluding different emissions, so for example for us in Wiltshere, we had um data from our sheltered housing schemes um but what we found is that our meter data didn't separate the tenant use versus the communal use

um communal areas and actually in theory we should have included the communal areas in our reporting but actually we couldn't separate that out it would have been a huge amount of work to separate that out and actually when we looked at the amount it was it was so small that we decided that we would just um exclude that but um make sure that we recorded the fact that that's what we decided to do.

The other thing that we hadn't thought about reporting before um was fugitive emissions um so it um it made us think about that for the first time, and by asking questions of our contractors who maintain our air conditioning synthesis uh air conditioning systems at county hall um we found that they'd actually been quite a significant leak and that actually there had been quite a lot of fugitive emissions which we hadn't actually asked about before or reported on before, so that was quite interesting.

It also enabled us to report on our emissions from biomass which we hadn't done before so that was also helpful because we have wood pellet boilers in quite a number of schools and I saw in the chat somebody was asking about that um and it made us think about working towards capturing the carbon footprint of our water usage as well so that's not information that we have at the moment but it's sort of um something that we'll work to improve on, um Rachel also mentioned about the reporting on mileage.

Unfortunately we didn't have the um breakdown of the exact type of vehicle that staff were using but what we did have was a total mileage figure and there is a category which is average medium medium car unknown fuel so we were able to do an estimate of our business mileage emissions using that category, um so uh yeah overall it was it was a it was a

positive experience, really useful to have a standard format um and I think it will enable us to compare with other authorities we did start to try and unpick our fleet data for example and found that we probably hadn't been reporting it correctly but we didn't actually know where to go to actually check what other authorities were reporting for their fleet usage for sort of similar size authorities and there was nowhere we could go to actually check whether our new figures which are actually very different from our old figures were correct and I think you know having a tool like this will actually enable us to do that really easily, and although um different authorities will choose to put different things in scope and we'll have different amount of outsourced services and so on, it will still provide kind of common commonality across the board so, yeah so for that reason um I would recommend it, and um I know there's been a lot of discussion in the chat and potentially a bit of confusion about um different tools and the tools for measuring um the local authority carbon footprint versus the whole area carbon footprint and I think it's important to stress that this one is just for the local authority carbon footprint and obviously there are other tools which were outlined earlier which are all about the city of um city or the or the whole local authority area.

So I hope that helps I'll be around for the panel discussion if anyone has any questions um from a user perspective.


So thank you Ariane and we'll now move, back to Jo and Rachel uh once again


Thank you games again um so we're going to um now launch a couple of polls to understand a little bit more so what we've talked about so far is what's in the tool at the moment uh and we've reached a point where we

felt it was worth launching um we do however recognize that this is potentially really a work in progress, uh what we didn't want to do was spend a lot more time and resource developing something only for everyone to turn around and go now we don't need that.

I think what we're actually seeing is is that we're getting quite a lot of people saying to us yeah this is great actually we you know we do need this um what we would like is some feedback from you to help us uh understand actually where we might develop that in the future um so and

there's a lot of um chat in the q a about of various different topics and um we understand a lot of the the intricacies of this, so the first poll we're putting up at the moment is in terms of scope three emissions um there's a list below uh other surfaces there if you could please on a multiple choice basis tick all of those which you currently include in your baseline if you do calculate or report a baseline.

That would give us a good start in terms of are we in the right place in terms of what's in the tool at the moment.

Give everyone a few minutes to do that because it's uh there's quite a lot in there, um again in the q a i can see that um there's quite a lot uh of questions around things like waste services and we are acutely aware that as local authorities you will do things in slightly different

ways and therefore your boundaries are very different um and and that's going to be a real challenge for us in terms of benchmarking.

But we we are determined to have a good go at benchmarking with LGInform.

And the use of near neighbours so enabling you to actually select authorities that perhaps report in a similar fashion rather than necessarily reporting against all authorities.

I don't know how we're getting on with the poll and when that's likely to close.

It's closed lovely thank you whoa that's excellent that's really interesting for those that can't see, we've got a lot of people who are currently reporting on staff business travel and on electricity transmission and distribution emissions.

Rather less on water consumption and then numbers falling down around uh contracted uh services for transport and staff commuting being at around 25%. We will publish the the poll results later because I think they'll be useful for people they're certainly useful for us.

So if I could have the right next slide please Rachel.

Oh or am I am I in control here?

Okay fine, so we oh there's a further poll there actually can we um can we launch the fourth poll question please Jane, which is we we've just asked you about what you currently report on 0:48:12.559,0:48:15.599 what we'd like to understand um in this question is what do you think our priorities should be for developing further scope 3 emissions reporting

in the tool over and above the areas that we currently have, which are staff business or mileage soft business mileage, um water waste water and the electricity tnd emissions.

So if you could fill that in that will help inform where we might go in the future. I should just give you a couple of minutes more, this is absolutely

invaluable for us so I really appreciate you taking the time to to um complete the polls for us, but it really gives us a much better understanding of the readiness that people have perhaps to to actually be able to engage in further scope 3 reporting, that it might enable some benchmarking as well.

Are we are we ready to close that one yet?

So waste is at the top of our list for those that can't see the poll results uh in terms of areas for development, followed by facilities management um with leisure services and staff community also pretty high up the list.

Um and we've got about 40 looking for staff business travel on public transport um that is a particular issue and I suspect it will be mostly our urban authorities that are looking for more of that data.

Um what I would say is if any of you are currently already reporting that and have robust tools for doing so then we'd be really interested in hearing from you and seeing what you've got whether we could perhaps take and adapt some of that into the tool what i'm really conscious of is that different public transport systems I suspect in in urban areas have different um mileage figures for trams and the like so be good to see what we've got and how easy it's going to be to incorporate that going forward.

So if I could have the next slide please Rachel.

Have I got another slide yes I have. Okay, so um as I said this is very much a work in progress uh we've launched it we're very interested in hearing your feedback, we are keen to make this as easy as possible for people that it's here to facilitate uh and not be a burden uh and I think um our aspiration would be if uh national reporting becomes a requirement again at some point in the future, uh that if we've got something here that is robust and defensible that actually um it would be adopted by a central government rather than actually having something additional imposed.

So as I say we're happy to take feedback in terms of where we should go next um in terms of additional data requests we are happy to support um to a reasonable extent through our enquiries function which is on the website and in the tool and there is an email address there that you can contact us through our ghg accounting inbox and we will endeavor to support you in the in terms of of how you how you use the tool.

Rachel do you have another slide for me please?

Okay so um we've talked about uh what we do with the data and um it's entirely up to you what you do with the data if i'm honest um, so just downloading the the spreadsheet does not place you under any obligation to share your data on lgi inform if however you do share on lgi informant and we would be very keen for authorities to do that it potentially generates a really valuable benchmarking resource for you as a sector. So this is very much about sector driven um how you would like things done um but if we can get the information into lg inform then it will provide us with the opportunity to start looking at benchmarking groups.

Uh and actually then using the information in there to drive performance in the future.

So that's our aspiration i've seen at least one question in the q a about whether that will make your data publicly available,and I think um the normal stance on lg inform is that it would not be publicly available for the first 12 months but after 12 months it would then become data which could be seen by the wider public. Could you give me another slide please Rachel?

So I think we're going to to go on to our last poll now and we've talked a little bit about the difficulties of benchmarking because you all have boundaries in different places you have in-sourced and outsourced services um and you're you're very different collection of authorities in terms of uh unitaries, districts, boroughs etc if we're going to improve the granularity of data then we'd need to have more of a split of the information coming in which would make the tool perhaps more cumbersome to use and before starting to embark on that journey would really like to understand from people who are likely to use it um whether you think that would be an investment of time at your end that's worth um worth it or actually whether the simplicity in the tool and using it for your own ends is actually more important so, if you wouldn't mind filling in our final poll question today that would be very much appreciated.

I'll give you a couple of minutes to do that, um the sorts of things we're thinking about there for example with waste services um they may sit in scope one and two emissions for a number of authorities who haven't outsourced, for authorities who have then those emissions would sit in your scope 3 so we we'd need to be able to carve those out of authorities that have in-sourced services so that we could perhaps compare waste services and then be able to compare rural districts versus urban areas for example.

Which at the moment I suspect we won't have large enough clusters in some of the benchmark groups to be able to do for all users.

That's reasonably overwhelming actually um 81% of you would be prepared to put more time uh into improve the quality of how we can slice and dice the data in in order to improve benchmarking and we will certainly um

take that on board and see what we are able to do uh in relation to that particularly for another iteration of the tool so my intention at the moment is that um following today and following immediate feedback we'll probably issue a revision uh in the relatively near future for this year which will cover any minor tidying up points and any things that that you think um you would like us to do that are quick and easy for us to achieve.

And we'll notify you all when we've done that, we would then um look to reissue another version of the tool in order for the next reporting cycle next summer which hopefully will include some more scope through measures um assuming I'm successful in a play for a little bit more of our local partnerships lga grant um to support further development of the tool.

Rachel do we have any more slides I think we might be on to Q and A?!

Yep I think that's all from me Andrew so if we hand back to you to lead the Q and A that would be great.


Uh that's great we're well ahead of time and we've been getting loads of questions in the Q and A, but continue to put your questions in there and we'll try and get as many um answered uh throughout this as possible um so for the first question, to Simeran, is the tool and support that you offer focused just on cities can you explain how rural counties and districts could benefit from the process?

So over to you Simeran!


Yeah great question, thank you Andrew.

Um so we have cities is kind of the more globally used word so that's kind of why we always use cities but we found that local authorities kind of of all shapes and sizes really in the UK have been able to use our platform still so we have a few counties using our platform this year for the first time we don't have any district councils because they have

found that their local authority or someone else in their area was already disclosing so they've worked more closely with them instead.

So it's good just to kind of map out who in your area might be reporting to see actually do you want to do it as an exercise for yourself but we found that people have still found it useful and we can still provide technical support.


Okay uh thanks for that Simeran, now a question for Rachel and Jo, does the staff travel not include business miles using public transport you know buses and trains?


Um at the moment, no it doesn't sorry am I muted just let me check now  you're good sorry I was looking at the Q and A at the same time bad habit um so it doesn't at the moment and it doesn't at the moment because we didn't have sufficient data to to be comfortable in in producing that as I say if we've got bigger city authorities on here or other authorities who are currently reporting that data then um we would be really interested in looking at what you're doing um if we if we don't then we'll go away and have a look at that that is one that I am aware particularly from the London authorities I I've had that feedback several times already so we are aware that that's a gap in the information.

Okay so so another question uh will the greenhouse gas reporting tool include emissions from waste disposal for local authorities who do have that responsibility?

If they have that responsibility then it will sit within their scope 1 and scope 2 emissions yes.

And the the point that I made around the um reporting boundaries and the the tab at the front end of the spreadsheet which lets you select what you've included and excluded, you can cap there's a summary box there so that you can capture um additional notes in relation to to particular services um what the tool does is at the moment gives you those headline figures in terms of how you would break that down into your different directorates or your different service areas and that's something that we can look at and capturing in the future in future iterations but at the moment that would be something that you would need to capture using the comment boxes all those data collection tabs that are part of the tool that's available for download, but yes they those emissions you would report under your own scope one and two.

Okay thank you um is there any work within this regarding carbon budgets so the total emissions available per district to stay within the Paris targets?

That's beyond the scope of what we've set out to do here so what we set out to do here was to provide the calculator, the carbon budgets are a slightly separate issue and they tend to sit on an area-wide basis as well so they're not disaggregated down to local authority's own activities,so they sit more alongside the outputs you'd get from the scatter tool, um than necessarily alongside the club and accounting.

What we would do um if we were doing a carbon um action plan or strategy for someone would be to take the baseline take some previous years baselines and there is data in the model to allow you to calculate back on previous years we've got previous years electricity's emissions factors in and the like, so if you've got the data you can generate um some historic data as well there, we would take that we would overlay the

decarbonization of the scope two emissions um that are forecast under the base forecast, um and and then we would look with the authority to set a budget with them as to actually how do they get to the position that they're seeking to get to and what measures do they need to take in order to achieve that.

Okay uh um thanks for that m now a really interesting question on benchmarking.

How do you intend to benchmark between authorities when there is such a  Variation in the data that local authorities will be reporting and not reporting?

Do you want me to tell you how one Rachel starts you can start it yeah.

I think I would preface this with we are fully well aware that this is a headache um and that's because there is no real alignment either in the service clusters or indeed in how people do things and report on things um which is why we're looking to see if we can use LGInform as the platform for that um because it's pretty sophisticated in terms of how it can actually separate data out and find near neighbours who might be doing similar things.

So Rachel's touched on the section of the tool which has some toggle switches about what you've put in and what you've put out, the intention is that that data would upload into lg inform alongside your data on your actual emissions and then you would be able to select authorities that reported on a similar boundary um and you would be able through lgi inform to also look with those authorities at which one of them which ones of them might be similar to you in terms of their characteristics and as an area are they urban, are they rural, are they really a mixture, um to try and find you some near neighbours that are reporting at least in a similar fashion.

If we go down the route of slicing out some of the larger service areas that might be scoped one and two for some authorities but might be scope three for others um then it would become possible to benchmark those against each other whether they were in sourced or outsourced services.

And just to just to add to that the tab where you, it's the one tab that we haven't shown you frustratingly as part of this um as part of this walk through but it was really important to capture on there and those you know what you've included in terms of schools in terms of in-sourced outsourced services in terms of um, yeah so leisure provision academies etc and also the in order for the for benchmarking to be successful and to be able to do the slicing and dicing and look at near neighbours, um and look at the split between counties, districts, unitaries uh looking at that granularity of you know looking at what it what the emissions are with in-source highways maintenance versus outsourced highways maintenance the same for waste.

What that will rely on is a critical mass of local authorities using the tool and making the data available for LG Inform form so then we can really work hard on um on updating it and and getting it um as snazzy as everybody needs it to be


Snazzy is good, um so is that is there any reason that the local  partnership tool uh couldn't be used by other public sector organisations such as the NHS, multi-academy trusts, the post office any any particular organisations which might be in the public sector.


There's no particular reason why not um we specifically have designed it with local authorities in mind um and and hence some of the questions on the the toggle switch sheet but you don't need to complete that sheet in order to use the the tool.

I had a conversation with the Shelford group earlier in the week who are a collection of nhs trusts and they've expressed an interest in having a look at it as to whether it might work for NHS I suspect for example for some of those um organizations that we would need to extend for example the range of f gases um because I think they use a number of those in surgical operations and the like which would not necessarily be there's a group of about 150 f gases on the on the list um we've not put them all in simply because um it's unlikely that for local authorities for example that you would be using any of them and it just makes the task a little bit more confusing for everybody, but if we've got other users. 

The other thing is we've developed this with um we have a small proportion of our income each year comes from LGA grant funding and we have developed this with LGA grant funding so the development work we've done on it is free to local authorities because we've spent local authority grant money on actually producing it.

If it was non-local authorities asking us to make amends we're more than happy to do that but we'd have to look at who pays to do that because it wouldn't be fair to ask local authorities to do that on behalf of other public sector bodies.

Yeah it'd be nice to find a way to do that because a lot of local authorities are working across the public sector as in partnership themselves in their own areas so it'd be interesting to see how a way could be found um there, so um another question for you and I'm going to mix all these questions up a wee bit um so purchasing renewable energy um is there a way to report on this to show that the the energy that you are you you've purchased is um from a renewable source?

Uh and I guess the the other thing is about offsetting uh can you can you look at uh things that you might do such as you may have a lot of solar panels on council buildings generating your own electricity, um there or you may have um renewable energy coming from other sources that you've got, and what about things like tree planting and stuff like that for um peat restoration uh things that around the margins which may offset uh your carbon emissions uh how do you how might you handle that?

So in terms of reporting um purchase renewable electricity and self-generation at the moment we would encourage you to use the comment boxes for capturing that and have used the data collection tabs that are within the um within the tool to to split those uh kilowatt hours generated out um so that you have it for reference in terms of how you would then report that that's something that at this stage and the development of the tool you would need to capture that within your own narrative reports

in terms of your that you would use the output from the tool and it is something that we are aware of that lots of local authorities will have their own pv um for self-supply and to offset their own emissions so in terms of um future updates in the very near term that's that Jo mentioned that's one of the things that we will be looking at and Jo did you want to pick up anything on the the element on wider offsets in terms of tree planting? Yeah I I'd actually quite like to lob that question at Daniela in terms of of how to treat that in carbon accounting terms because it is not my chosen specialist subject despite me being here.


I think that um that is a subject that comes and several times cities ask that but I think that is important that even though now it's not on the tool that that it's available for the cities it's very important to know that cities can have the track of amount of energy they are um generating from renewable sources or purchasing energy for their specific activities

and the thing is that when you um when you go to the to the city-wide emissions okay you also can account that in the in the overall cta missions but um also from a methodological perspective for example if you take the the iso 14001 methodology, 14064 methodology for example or you take the the greenhouse gas protocol uh scope oneand two and three there's now a specific guidance on how to account the renewable energy purchase in the inventories for any organization.

Okay so cities may get familiar with that in order to have this um  separated and reflected in their internal methodological calculations.

Okay because depending on the different reporting processes or internal reporting processes or corporate sustainability reporting processes they can report that.

Okay so that's my my advice so from a methodological perspective there's there are ways to account these emissions avoidance or emissions of setting but yeah how to account it into the goals that is the discussion that now is getting in all the cities I hope it clarified.


Okay thank you very much, so this was a question people were somebody was bound to ask I guess uh, do you think the calculations for this year will not be an accurate reflection of the usual services uh due to COVID19? Anybody want to tackle that one?


Quite happily tackle that one yes um it's a really interesting question this one so, um the current year we're reporting on is actually 19/20 and there will be some impact at the the very end of that in the uk through the end of March but in the main 19/20 is is probably our last

year where we'll be reporting on um the old normal uh uh and I think it's fair to say that um what we're seeing at the moment um and I spoke at the LGA conference on green reset uh around um wider societal changes and actually what we are seeing um and we're all actually taking part in right now is, what is likely to become a much more fundamental shift in terms of actually how we do things.

Um that's likely to be long lasting, so uh actually no I think going forward there are opportunities to radically change some of our baselines, interestingly shifting some of the councils um scope one and two emissions into individual scope one and two emissions and and thought needs to be um put into actually how we we tackle that um in terms of whether we're going to try and capture some of that but also whether we're going to use it as a lever actually to help people in terms of things like home energy efficiency.

But you know the overall agenda at the end of the day measuring uh calculating is all very interesting, but the reality is it's change that

makes the difference and it's change that will actually deliver what we need, one of those things is we need to use less, and one of the things we need to use less of for example is moving around when we don't need to.

Um so and and office space that we don't need so um I think uh it will be different in future years uh and I think we will probably see quite a  lot of estate rationalization programs um not just in local government but across the commercial sector as well, on the back of it, so I think you'll see a different baseline going forward um one that's not going to be predicted in anybody's forward forecasts from previous years previous climate action strategies uh so yeah I think it's a really interesting question but i think that to assume that it will go back and that this year will be a blip is probably unrealistic.


That's my thought I mean 19/20 we will be up here 20/21 will go way down you would expect and then up a bit for 21/22 and we'll see how what that new baseline looks like in terms of operations.

It's gonna be really fascinating over the next three four years to see how that that all plays out, um so yeah I'll be interested to see what happens in Kirklee's council's emissions um sitting in a nearly empty building.

So um another question um we're considering extending our scope three emissions to include commuting, uh waste supply supply chain, is this

possible to capture in this tool? The tool seems to be assumed all fuel burning is for heating, we use fuel oil for highways operations and waste management can this be amended and displayed as a different category.


So at the moment the the we've we've talked about what we've included as scope 3 emissions within the tool we've we will use the output from those

polls and the specific Q and A um questions and suggestions that have come up to look at capturing wider scope 3 emissions within the tool, but currently as it stands it is um limited to staff business travel and um and the water.

Sorry Andrew I've lost track of what the second element of that question was can you repeat uh the the tool seems to assume all fuel burning is for heating yeah okay yep so um it's we I've mentioned as I did the walkthrough that it was related to heating it will still you you'd still capture it for any purpose within that tab um so whilst I said it's you know we're talking about heating for uh your building's use you would just you would record the gas oil for any purpose um within that.

The tool is capturing the summary data and the headline summary data so what sits behind it and how you how you um convey that in your narrative reports um to the decision makers and and the audience that you're you're reporting is for within your own councils, you will want to put some additional kind of layers underneath that, but what the tool does is give you those headline emissions figures.

Okay and I think you may have answered this question earlier but this is can we back date for previous year's data in this tool?

Yes you need to yeah you would need to um you would need to run you know have a separate spreadsheet for each year, um but the emissions factors on that it would have been really helpful to show you the summary tab at the front but the um summary tab allows you to select your reporting year so that goes back some way um and then that will pull through the correct conversion factors for the year that you have selected so you can you can save uh multiple versions of the tool.

Can I just add on top of that as well if you try and use an old year's tool so if you go in next July on the tool that you've downloaded at

the moment, you will get a box which will automatically flag that the data on the emissions factors is more than 12 months old and that you should check for a new version.

Okay another question is it possible to get an update on the discussions between BEIS and lga on local authority reporting the spreadsheets and information on website was last updated in 2014 but it's happened since then so this shaped our approach to reporting which has remained today.

It's an interesting one because I don't think we've got a name from LGA on the panel so, um I'm not sure what exactly has been going on on that I haven't heard anything through the LGA that there's a particularly active dialogue around reporting I don't know if you have Rachel?

Okay well we'll see together answered um because we'll be putting the  answers and everything up um at the end on the website so we'll try and try and capture it there.

So if we can do that I'm just gonna have a quick look for the back of the question we had here.

Oh yeah an LG inform, if data is applied to LG inform can submissions be updated?

I think so yes I mean the the process for putting information into LG inform will be to send the spreadsheets in and then I think there's an upload process that's an automated process from an lg in an lga

Folder so provided the updated information is in the LGA folder I assume it overwrites the old data but I don't know we'd need to check that.

Okay and and from the people using the tool I mean our local authority is requiring  prime suppliers contractors to complete similar benchmarking so they know the carbon impact of their service providers if not is there a desire to do so?

You want me to answer that yeah please?

Yeah so uh we didn't include all that in our in our when we tested the tool this year um it's something that we definitely want to do and work towards but it's um yeah incremental improvements I guess so it's something that we'd like to work towards and at the moment the tool I think could be configured for that but it's not yet.


Okay and a fascinating um question here which I'm interested in in regard to the west Yorkshire pension fund uh local authority investments and pension funds investing in fossil fuel industry seems to be a murky area but want it including in scope three any guidance? *councillors - with ironic laugh*

I think that's a question for Simeran and Daniela to be honest with you.

Okay any thoughts on uh investments in carbon intensive industries and and if if local authorities ought to be measured for that?


That's a very good question um I think in order to meet just like ultimately in order to meet your net zero targets or any targets you have you will have to figure out your investment decisions as you're taking as a council what are you spending on any of your  investments, your  procurement, your pension funds, all of that will need to be factored in and start to be changing.

There is some guidance that I can share from c40 that do have a divestment report that might be useful to know how London and New York have done it.

That there could be some lessons learned but it is something that I think eventually will need to be discussed that any investment decision you make needs to show the how does it support or not support your climate target and if it doesn't what are you going to do about that, what conversations need to be had.


Yeah I mean it makes sense doesn't it you could have the the most um brilliant council in terms of reducing emissions then your investments are in um in gas extraction or whatever it happens to be or fracking in the United States or something horrible like that.

So next question can the tool take shared services into account?

Rachel I think that's a boundaries question isn't it really as to whether you're reporting as a shared service or as a an authority.


Yeah so again it comes back to this summary tab and um being really explicit there around how you've set your reporting boundary and um and what services you've been what services you've included the I think that will be a very.

Um individual individual and decision for each for each local authority and the important thing is to capture um through the through this tool in terms you've got the the comment boxes um for each of the tabs.

So that you can um you can do those calculations in terms of your proportion of emissions from a shared service and include that in the overall summary, but then in that comment tab for whichever scope you know whether it's electricity or whether it's heating fuel or um or vehicle emissions, that you um that you capture some commentary within the tool so that when you're looking at doing this activity again in a year's time, or whether any rebase mining needs to be done because you've taken services back in-house or you've fully outsourced you've got that data capture of what you've done in previous years so that you can look for um reporting consistency and improvements um with your partners.


Okay um next question uh we've got a we've got about five minutes left for questions so it's going pretty well is building level data input and analysis analysis supported by this tool?

For example allowing outputs being expressed per meter square of schools and other building categories.


So this tool does not do that and this is the high level emission you know high level kilowatt hours and the high level emissions um for your the whole of your operations in the state.

We do at local partnerships have a tool that can do that in terms of um in terms of energy performance and carbon per square meter which is something that we use with our refit clients and you know looking at the

opportunities for making um energy efficiency improvements in carbon reductions using um the refit energy performance contract but we're not here to plug that today but we do have a tool that um that can do that if you would like to speak to us about that.


Okay I'll just have a quick look and see if there are any more questions

that I may have may have missed let's see.

Okay we've got some information that's been provided by people which we will share later hat's come out of this so some of the guidance for the

greenhouse grass protocol for scope 2 guidance that's there and Okay oh one more question. Given the current situation will you look to include

wider scope 3 for 20/21 reporting for example energy consumption averages for employees when working from home which may shift emissions from scope 1 and 2 to scope 3.

How'd that be that'd be an interesting job for somebody.


I think you touched on that already Jo.


Yeah, I did and and it is something that, um we, I think it's really difficult to quantify um unless you do some real study-based work so unless you can see what people were spending in their homes before and after, um then I think it's it's difficult to to make assumptions um it's not an exercise that we've carried out to date um that it doesn't say that it's not necessarily an exercise that we wouldn't be interested in carrying out with an authority if there was someone who actually um is prepared to ask that question of the staff and get to that kind of level of data, but you would require quite a lot of disclosure from staff around their electricity bills and their gas bills and I think you'd need a full reporting year in order to do that so it's a bit early to try and do that because obviously at the moment lockdown's largely been through some fairly good weather and actually the the energy impacts in people's homes is probably really relatively minimal.

Uh and unlikely to be considerably less than the transport emissions that have been offset.

Um however going forward as we go into the winter months slightly different matter as uh more lighting and heating are required so we haven't at this stage I think it's an exercise that would be worth trying to generate some data on at some point but at the moment uh I did make a play for some um COVID recovery grant for that and um wasn't actually successful at that stage but i might have another go um because I think looking at that piece in the round taking a cluster of employees in a variety of different locations some urban employees and some rural employees, and starting to look at that plus the the commuting so for example uh when we were doing the green reset piece I had some information from Cornwall um and they were saying at that stage that their staff commuting do 35 million miles a year commuting.

Which is an astronomical number um and you know you'd need to be burning quite a lot of additional fuel in your home if you're offsetting if you're reducing significantly on that to to make it worse but I think it'd be really good to have an accurate picture.


Okay so uh that's that's marvellous we've had uh 66 questions uh in total uh here uh but I'm afraid that's all we have time for we are going to go through the questions uh and answer those um online um so we will make sure that all those questions are answered so if you need any further assistance with calculating your carbon baselines please do not hesitate to email greenhouse gas accounting that's and be sure to download the tool from the local partnerships website check out the LGA climate change webpage for our support office there you will find how to join the climate emergency knowledge hub group to speak with other councils who are doing the same things as you case studies from other councils our climate email address, innovation and leadership support programs from the LGA the LGA green jobs report future green webinars and much much more.

And i'd like to thank all our speakers for their contributions uh Simeran, Alice-Daniela from Freiburg and Jo, Rachel and Ariane so thank you for joining us and we really hope that you found this webinar useful and interesting I certainly have thank you. Bye.


The importance of carbon disclosure and carbon accounting – setting accounting standards and boundaries

Simeran Bachra, UK Cities Manager, CDP (formerly the Carbon Disclosure Project)

Alis-Daniela Torres, Sustainable Resources Officer, ICLEI – Local Governments for Sustainability 

Background to the tool and how it is hoped that the tool will help local authorities; calculating baseline emissions; how the tool can help; how to use it; developing Scope 3 emissions

Jo Wall, Strategic Director (Climate Response), Local Partnerships

Rachel Toresen-Owuor, Programme Director – Re:fit, Local Partnerships